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		<title>By: Almora</title>
		<link>http://www.igottatellyou.com/blog/auction-sites-trafficking-stolen-goods-online/comment-page-1/#comment-1183</link>
		<dc:creator>Almora</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Mar 2006 00:01:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jim, I loved your article.  And I appreciate the posted comments concerning experiences with intellectual property theft and how to stop it.  This type of information is of value to both the eBay sellers/buyers, and ebook authors.

I have purchased many ebooks on Ebay.  How would I know, as a purchaser, if what I&#039;m purchasing is stolen or what I&#039;ve already purchased is stolen?  Ebook purchasers on Ebay needs some advice, too.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jim, I loved your article.  And I appreciate the posted comments concerning experiences with intellectual property theft and how to stop it.  This type of information is of value to both the eBay sellers/buyers, and ebook authors.</p>
<p>I have purchased many ebooks on Ebay.  How would I know, as a purchaser, if what I&#8217;m purchasing is stolen or what I&#8217;ve already purchased is stolen?  Ebook purchasers on Ebay needs some advice, too.</p>
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		<title>By: Simon Harrison</title>
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		<dc:creator>Simon Harrison</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 19 Mar 2006 17:56:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ebay is without a doubt the worlds largest fence, we have to spend around 20 minutes every single solitary day checking ebay for a number of our ebooks.

I have on average 2-3 listings removed every week via VERO.

VERO however has serious flaws. For example although Ebay move quickly to remove an illegal listing they do nothing to stop a repeat preformance from a user who&#039;s sole objecive it is to sell other peoples property using ebay as his illegal shop front.

I have had constant battles with ebay proving catagorically that xyx user is a repeat offender even faxing them the original VERO removal request form for the said users.

Ebay do nothing and I mean nothing at all to stop repeat offenders, they simply remove the listing and the theft continues.

Therefore I have taken a few steps to stop the problem with considerable success.

Some things you can do :

1 - Download something like PLUCK and get it to check ebay automatically for listings with your key words.

2- On your ebook download page make it very clear you will sue the ass of anybody using ebay to sell your product, explicitly stating you check it each day and you will leave negative feedback when the listing is found

3- In your follow up e-mail send the same message

4 - In the PDF itself have a front page message explaining you will sue for copyright infringement and you check ebay every day , that you will get their account shut down and or leave neg feedback.

5 - on the footer of each page make it clear again that the copy they purchased is for their own use only etc.

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Some stuff you actually do on ebay

1- Obviously get signed up to the VERO program here :
http://pages.ebay.co.uk/vero/about.html

2- Use PLUCK or Ebay&#039;s own service to check for illegal listings

3- Leave negative feedback for the user with the wording along the lines of

Ebayer is selling stolen property - reported to Ebay

(They love that, they never list your property again trust me)

I do suggest you set up an account on ebay just for leaving negative feedback for these scum balls.

Additionally use some common sence, if it looks like the kind of user with a shop full of stolen intellectual property, go with the neg feedback, if not simply use VERO .

My tact is if they are repeat offenders or simply have created a complete store of other peoples property , I leave neg feedback AND then get VERO to remove their listing so they suffer both ways.

If they are just plain stupid and think because they purchased it they can sell it as their own, I simply get VERO to remove it.

It&#039;s a problem there seems no solution to until somebody manages to get a partnership deal with Adobe and creates a true PDF protection system that does not require passwords usernames, works on macs and PC&#039;s and simply ties a PDF to the hardware manufacturers hard disk ID. As a bonus if it could have a  &#039;turn off and lock ebook &#039; feature which presents the customer with a code which they give to you and you then refund them we would all be laughing.

Ebook pro etc have had a crack at it but nobody has come up with a true PDF protection system that is not flawed in on area or another.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ebay is without a doubt the worlds largest fence, we have to spend around 20 minutes every single solitary day checking ebay for a number of our ebooks.</p>
<p>I have on average 2-3 listings removed every week via VERO.</p>
<p>VERO however has serious flaws. For example although Ebay move quickly to remove an illegal listing they do nothing to stop a repeat preformance from a user who&#8217;s sole objecive it is to sell other peoples property using ebay as his illegal shop front.</p>
<p>I have had constant battles with ebay proving catagorically that xyx user is a repeat offender even faxing them the original VERO removal request form for the said users.</p>
<p>Ebay do nothing and I mean nothing at all to stop repeat offenders, they simply remove the listing and the theft continues.</p>
<p>Therefore I have taken a few steps to stop the problem with considerable success.</p>
<p>Some things you can do :</p>
<p>1 &#8211; Download something like PLUCK and get it to check ebay automatically for listings with your key words.</p>
<p>2- On your ebook download page make it very clear you will sue the ass of anybody using ebay to sell your product, explicitly stating you check it each day and you will leave negative feedback when the listing is found</p>
<p>3- In your follow up e-mail send the same message</p>
<p>4 &#8211; In the PDF itself have a front page message explaining you will sue for copyright infringement and you check ebay every day , that you will get their account shut down and or leave neg feedback.</p>
<p>5 &#8211; on the footer of each page make it clear again that the copy they purchased is for their own use only etc.</p>
<p>-</p>
<p>Some stuff you actually do on ebay</p>
<p>1- Obviously get signed up to the VERO program here :<br />
<a href="http://pages.ebay.co.uk/vero/about.html" rel="nofollow">http://pages.ebay.co.uk/vero/about.html</a></p>
<p>2- Use PLUCK or Ebay&#8217;s own service to check for illegal listings</p>
<p>3- Leave negative feedback for the user with the wording along the lines of</p>
<p>Ebayer is selling stolen property &#8211; reported to Ebay</p>
<p>(They love that, they never list your property again trust me)</p>
<p>I do suggest you set up an account on ebay just for leaving negative feedback for these scum balls.</p>
<p>Additionally use some common sence, if it looks like the kind of user with a shop full of stolen intellectual property, go with the neg feedback, if not simply use VERO .</p>
<p>My tact is if they are repeat offenders or simply have created a complete store of other peoples property , I leave neg feedback AND then get VERO to remove their listing so they suffer both ways.</p>
<p>If they are just plain stupid and think because they purchased it they can sell it as their own, I simply get VERO to remove it.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s a problem there seems no solution to until somebody manages to get a partnership deal with Adobe and creates a true PDF protection system that does not require passwords usernames, works on macs and PC&#8217;s and simply ties a PDF to the hardware manufacturers hard disk ID. As a bonus if it could have a  &#8216;turn off and lock ebook &#8216; feature which presents the customer with a code which they give to you and you then refund them we would all be laughing.</p>
<p>Ebook pro etc have had a crack at it but nobody has come up with a true PDF protection system that is not flawed in on area or another.</p>
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		<title>By: Catherine</title>
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		<dc:creator>Catherine</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Mar 2006 16:39:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes, theft it a problem with digital product, but Ebay also creates a huge market for all stolen goods.  I&#039;m boycotting Ebay.  Not that they&#039;ll notice.  In my retail store chain, one of the store managers was stealing product from the store and selling it on Ebay.  She had several thousand positive feedbacks so you can imagine how much damage she did to the business in less than a year.  Ebay makes it easy to find the digital stuff since the product sells best when explicitly identified. And once identified, it&#039;s pretty clearly copied or not copied.  But how about products that are readily available throughout the country in standard retail channels?  How would you ever find out whether its your stuff (stolen) showing up on ebay? There is no good way to stop this anonymous, protected fencing of stolen goods, and it&#039;s not just downloadable, copyrighted product that&#039;s getting ripped off and sold every day.  Think about it before you buy anything from an individual over Ebay.  It could be stuff stolen from your house or your business or someone else&#039;s house or business.  Lots of positive feedback doesn&#039;t make it not stolen - it just makes them a good thief.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, theft it a problem with digital product, but Ebay also creates a huge market for all stolen goods.  I&#8217;m boycotting Ebay.  Not that they&#8217;ll notice.  In my retail store chain, one of the store managers was stealing product from the store and selling it on Ebay.  She had several thousand positive feedbacks so you can imagine how much damage she did to the business in less than a year.  Ebay makes it easy to find the digital stuff since the product sells best when explicitly identified. And once identified, it&#8217;s pretty clearly copied or not copied.  But how about products that are readily available throughout the country in standard retail channels?  How would you ever find out whether its your stuff (stolen) showing up on ebay? There is no good way to stop this anonymous, protected fencing of stolen goods, and it&#8217;s not just downloadable, copyrighted product that&#8217;s getting ripped off and sold every day.  Think about it before you buy anything from an individual over Ebay.  It could be stuff stolen from your house or your business or someone else&#8217;s house or business.  Lots of positive feedback doesn&#8217;t make it not stolen &#8211; it just makes them a good thief.</p>
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		<title>By: Donna Fox</title>
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		<dc:creator>Donna Fox</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Mar 2006 22:30:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yep, selling stolen digi products on ebay certainly is rampant.

Once a month I have one of my staff members go to ebay and shut down anyone selling my downloadable course.  

They even copy the sales page and take images from my website!  It&#039;s amazing.

What can you do, other than stop the fraud where you can and hope the people who buy the products come to you for more info?

Donna</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yep, selling stolen digi products on ebay certainly is rampant.</p>
<p>Once a month I have one of my staff members go to ebay and shut down anyone selling my downloadable course.  </p>
<p>They even copy the sales page and take images from my website!  It&#8217;s amazing.</p>
<p>What can you do, other than stop the fraud where you can and hope the people who buy the products come to you for more info?</p>
<p>Donna</p>
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		<title>By: Toronto Carol</title>
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		<dc:creator>Toronto Carol</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Mar 2006 20:27:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Jim, as usual I appreciate your article. I have a question. My mother has purchased a number of Mike Litman CDs and was thinking about selling them on eBay now that she is finished listening to them. So is that illegal? At 81 years old, she doesnt want to have her account shut down for doing the wrong thing.
Thank you,
Carol

-=-=-=--=-=-=-=-
FROM JIM:

I&#039;m not a lawyer (nor do I play one on TV)... but in my opinion:

If they are her own personal copies and there is no license restriction on Mike&#039;s end against it, then she should be able
to do it.

If she made backups, she would need to destroy those (can&#039;t sell or
use them) and uninstall any software, etc. that came with the products.

Can&#039;t use any of Mike&#039;s sales copy to sell them... have to write
your own descriptions of the product to list in the auction.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Jim, as usual I appreciate your article. I have a question. My mother has purchased a number of Mike Litman CDs and was thinking about selling them on eBay now that she is finished listening to them. So is that illegal? At 81 years old, she doesnt want to have her account shut down for doing the wrong thing.<br />
Thank you,<br />
Carol</p>
<p>-=-=-=&#8211;=-=-=-=-<br />
FROM JIM:</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not a lawyer (nor do I play one on TV)&#8230; but in my opinion:</p>
<p>If they are her own personal copies and there is no license restriction on Mike&#8217;s end against it, then she should be able<br />
to do it.</p>
<p>If she made backups, she would need to destroy those (can&#8217;t sell or<br />
use them) and uninstall any software, etc. that came with the products.</p>
<p>Can&#8217;t use any of Mike&#8217;s sales copy to sell them&#8230; have to write<br />
your own descriptions of the product to list in the auction.</p>
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